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Howard’s Poem “Life is Not a Straight Line” and Agency and Fatalism
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This is beautiful, Howard.
I missed you in NY... your talk in 2017 was riveting and your presence today on Clio’s is so appreciated.
Your poetry never fails to get to the heart of the matter - and I love not having to read it a gazillion times to get it (or feel like an illiterate
unsophisticated dumbf-k as I do when reading some poets).
Please post again soon.
Warmest wishes and all good things,
Judy Logue
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Re: [cliospsyche] Howard’s Poem “Life is Not a Straight Line” and Agency and Fatalism
I echo Judy's sentiments, Howard. Thanks for posting this to the list. Also, Judy, as a registrant in the conference, you will soon be able to access Howard's GoToMeeting presentations at the 2018 psychohistory conference as videotapes. --Brian
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RE: Howard’s Poem “Life is Not a Straight Line” and Agency and Fatalism
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Thank you so much, Judy, for your many affirmations. I missed you also. Take care and keep in touch.
Warmest regards -- to you and Everyone at IPA 2018,
Howard
Listening Deeply (Second Edition): https://www.amazon.com/Howard-F.-Stein/e/B001HCZ62C/ref=ntt_dp_epwpk_0
The Dysfunctional Workplace (with Seth Allcorn): same url as above, amazon.com
Howard F. Stein, Ph.D.
Professor Emeritus
Department of Family and Preventive Medicine
University of Oklahoma Health Sciences Center
Oklahoma City, OK USA;
howard-stein@ouhsc.edu
Phone: 405-787-6074
Poet Laureate, High Plains Society for Applied Anthropology
Home address: 1408 Oakhill Lane, Oklahoma City OK 73127 USA
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Thank you, Brian.
Listening Deeply (Second Edition): https://www.amazon.com/Howard-F.-Stein/e/B001HCZ62C/ref=ntt_dp_epwpk_0
The Dysfunctional Workplace (with Seth Allcorn): same url as above, amazon.com
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Poet Laureate, High Plains Society for Applied Anthropology
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Wondeful... thank you. I am so happy I was able to attend this year.
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This risks too much deMause, but with Kudrow's complaint -- expressed with particular, focussed emphasis, as the real heart of the matter -- that Trudeau stabbed America in the back, I at least recall deMause's mentioning that during times of growth panic, early childhood traumas come to the fore (why this exactly happens, may be one of the areas that requires more looking at concerning deMause, as I seem to remember it not being quite crystal clear. For instance, he says in one place that growth panic draws one to cling back to mommy, and THAT then reminds one of early childhood traumas... because you're once again the babe in her lap, and you recall what happened there. Elsewhere... and I think most often, I think he expresses it so that growth itself does it, because it inspires a projected Dangerous Mother who is more and more seen as arising abroad and mad as hell at the spoiled child [Mahler's individuation anxiety]. [On a different note, his first description of a phenomena akin to this, paranoia, is described as a powerful enemy emerging abroad, not because of mommy, but because for years we've been shipping our own sinning selves into it and now it's gotten to the point where its a ginormous monstrosity... these were the early days when Lloyd was focused on the placenta.]). Canada, related just recently to the Britain that was once America's "parent" -- n.b., Cdns actually don't mind the 1812 reference: "we" take special pride in once having raped America, and "we" think that "we" -- that is, not only the British -- did it -- is probably again serving as the untrustworthy parent in this projected fantasy.
Lloyd references "a stab in the back," in relation to Germanic childrearing: "The traditional German obsession with children’s feces continued after swaddling ended by the regular use of enemas as a maternal domination device, “a fetish object often wielded by the mother or nurse in daily rituals that resembled sexual assaults on the anus, sometimes including tying the child up in leather straps as though the mother were a dominatrix, inserting the two-foot-long enema tube over and over again as punishment for ‘accidents.’ There were special enema stores that German children would be taken to in order to be ‘fitted’ for their proper size of enemas. Mothers had “an intensive fear of the notorious smell of the small child” which made them give daily enemas “to prevent them from becoming a relentless house tyrant.”41 The ritual ‘stab in the back’ was a central fear of German children well into the twentieth century, and they learned ‘never to speak of it, but always to think about it.’”42 Enema fears, of course, were re-experienced in the “stab in the back” group-fantasy that Germans kept referring to when they imagined the Versailles Treaty was agreed to by German socialists without Germany ever having been defeated in WWI.
Sexual molestation of children was routine and considered normal. When infants were removed from their cribs, they usually slept in the family bed and either were made part of the sexual act or regularly witnessed it close up. Bloch reported the seduction of children in Germany was “very widespread,” and German doctors reported “nursemaids and other servants carry out all sorts of sexual acts on the children entrusted to their care, sometimes merely in order to quiet the children, sometimes ‘for fun.’”43 Freud’s patients (and Freud himself) said they were seduced by their nurses, who “put crying children to sleep by stroking their genitals.”44 “Little Hans” slept with his mother for four years, and told Freud his mother said if he touched his penis she would cut it off.45 Priests used children for sex then too.46 Both boys and girls regularly were raped in schools, by teachers and older students, and there were even special schools espousing “pedagogical Eros”—the benefits of teachers using students for sex “to help learning.”47 Plus, of course, most young girls and boys were sexually assaulted as servants and apprentices.48"
Canada is saying that we won't be pushed around... we're actually rather pleased that Trump is allowing us a chance to stand up to our own "authoritarian" parents, as for us, early childhood memories are coming back too, as we too experience ongoing freedom and growth, and so the desire to cling back to a strong mother nation and to take down any who'd dare besmirch Her, not show Her and her representatives, due respect. What it all does to the economy, be damned! There are greater things at stake!
If Canada was as sane as it likes to present itself, it would not have its representative talk about not being pushed around. It would simply have said it was sorry Trump felt betrayed, and would be glad for another chance to discuss matters with him. No escalation, no playing to fantasy... no making use of him so "we" too have an outrageous parent "we" can finally stand up to.
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Two people who've been identified as having it all, and were all of our surrogates, just suicided themselves. Bourdain scolded those who didn't like junk food, and scoffed at those who prized 15 course dinners (to a woman chef, he did this)... he was our bad boy, our Bill Clinton, who cleared room for us against poo-pooers who instructed us that our tastes were never to be given top platform -- like hell they won't!... just watch me! Like us, later in life he tried to Obama himself, and become the more settled family man. He also lent praise to the #MeToo movement, even as he was one of the key people who helped enable a more obnoxious and predatory environment against women within restaurant culture. It wasn't enough. The angry maternal alter in him had had enough -- no stratagem to abase himself as not that much, really, as someone who was sincerely apologetic for his previous misbehaviour, could work for Her not to see him clearly as very much still remaining a very bad, spoiled child -- She was a great power, and so not THAT much of a fool! -- who had gotten away with murder by enabling that many more people out there to abandon their mothers' needs and explore their own lives, with less regard for the balking power of the admonitions of nay-sayers. Kate Spade, also spearheaded a fashion which, according to the NewYorker, "seemed to telegraph elegance and accessibility at once," drawing that many more human beings out there into believing that it was within them, not just within a fully separated elite group that in every way was not them and never about to include them, to embrace everything grand in the world, and think their own tastes, a valid component of what could be included within that. Like Bourdain, she was ever reinventing himself, coming up with new things to say, yet, for her, as for him, "strangely," "what appeared from the outside to be a bright new chapter seems to have also been a period of immense private pain." Hence, suicide, to quiet the angry maternal alter out of childhood that had had it with all her presumption and growth, and who would no longer allow Herself to be waylaid, distracted, fooled. Time's up, indeed.
These suicides are giant news. Given that they're "us," we'll see many more. I think you could even predict them, that is, who, very much, specifically. They represent, to me, why we're pounding so hard on Trump as such an outrageous beast, and focusing so much on his voluminous multitudes of crimes and incriminating connections with the darkest of powers (which are of course, actually real, but also irrelevant... it's what the people are craving, that matters -- Trump was one of a million options that would have satisfied). It's because more and more we can't hide from ourselves that more and more we're losing that Obama sense of ourselves as those of quieted assumptions/presumptions, as those of moderated tastes, and are screaming out to ourselves that we're spoiled children who've made such ruinous muck of the world we deserve punishment... no more delays. Desperately in need to hide this, mask this, draw attention away from this, we inflate Trump as so much of narcissism in only a pejorative sense that surely there isn't any room for any of any substantial content to be existing elsewhere. We've been in holding pattern for awhile now with this unconscious strategy; it's been working. But Kate Spade was surely onto this, and so too Bourdain, and look at what their brains ultimately concluded as to the ongoing effectiveness of this strategy. Fuck! our time is maybe due soon too.
Does this mean mass suicides? I suspect what'll happen is that many more people will surrender their autonomous selves, their truly self-actualized selves... their own Bourdains, their own Kate Spades, and project their early mothers onto their Nations, pledge fealty to Her, and become reformed good sons and daughters (though in Germany, this process LEAD eventually to collective suicide), and this will succeed in saving them for awhile, but also mean, really, the end of their own life stories... they'll be actors in a decade long drama ultimately, pathetic creatures moved by fate (however much a later generation will call them "great" for this). We should see more people in the future start saying surprisingly positive things about Trump, as he switches out of serving as a poison container and morphs into the favoured son, the chief agent, of our Mother Nation's needs... not narcissist, but like how Trudeau is wisely knowing to present himself, as someone who stands up against others' bullying of his precious Nation: the chief protector, the chief good son/daughter, who plays well his prize role. More people will do as Kanye, another shock, though not one as close to home as these massive blows to our confident ability to stay fighting and not succumb... to remain alive, in a true self, meaningful sense.
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It's worth taking note of this guy; he's creative, artistic... a dandy, with a bio that's not of today. Review of his new book, Prisoners of Infinity, from Hong Kong Review of Books.
Quote from review: It is, though, Horsley’s eloquent and humorous style that means his book has the potential to open out onto a much wider audience than those fringe communities who are solely interested in UFOs and the occult. Prisoner of Infinity reads like a twentieth-century psychohistory of the US, and because of that becomes a fierce critique of American science mysticism and its prominent representatives like transhumanist Ray Kurzweil – exponents of what Horsley thinks of as a “father-abandoned and mother-bonded symbiotic psychosis.” In a psychology resulting from early childhood trauma and the experience of helplessness, the body becomes perceived as a mere prison to be transcended. While this might still sound rather abstract, Horsley does a good job in breaking down psychoanalytic theories on early childhood trauma to explain the peculiar American national obsessions with transhumanism and the journeys to Mars that seem so alien (lame pun fully intended) to most readers outside of the nation.
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HI Patrick,
As a long-time devotee' of topics related to soma psyche,
as a psychoanalyst, and as someone with a very personal
interest in research, the book, Prisoners of Infinity that you
referred to, has sparked my imagination. And so based on
your recommendation, and that of the glowing review that
you supplied, there is no choice, but for me to purchase it.
Warm Regards,
Burton N. Seitler, Ph.D.,
Editor-in-Chief, JASPER
On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Patrick McEvoy-Halston <pmcevoyhalston@gmail.com> wrote:
It's worth taking note of this guy; he's creative, artistic... a dandy, with a bio that's not of today. Review of his new book, Prisoners of Infinity, from Hong Kong Review of Books.
Quote from review: It is, though, Horsley’s eloquent and humorous style that means his book has the potential to open out onto a much wider audience than those fringe communities who are solely interested in UFOs and the occult. Prisoner of Infinity reads like a twentieth-century psychohistory of the US, and because of that becomes a fierce critique of American science mysticism and its prominent representatives like transhumanist Ray Kurzweil – exponents of what Horsley thinks of as a “father-abandoned and mother-bonded symbiotic psychosis.” In a psychology resulting from early childhood trauma and the experience of helplessness, the body becomes perceived as a mere prison to be transcended. While this might still sound rather abstract, Horsley does a good job in breaking down psychoanalytic theories on early childhood trauma to explain the peculiar American national obsessions with transhumanism and the journeys to Mars that seem so alien (lame pun fully intended) to most readers outside of the nation.
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I've ordered it for the Indigo Cultural Store/Space I work at. I've encountered him before; I really like how dense the art is in his examinations and explorations. Also, like the reviewer noted, that he just isn't afraid of how he appears... he does what is meaningful to him, and if others are with him, good, if not -- he'll function.
On the topic of art, has anyone checked out Stillpoint Spaces on youtube/the web? A bit Cambridge Analytica, as the NewYorker played with its aesthetic, but still very fashion, very Monocle... makes psychoanalysis seem urgently urban, smart and young. I mention this because what Clio does right, is that it hasn't drained itself of art; it's not sterile... so I point to others, growing as much out of the arts as academia.
Cheers Burton,
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Well put, Patrick. I just ordered it for myself. I like people who
are able to think for themselves. It opens up the possibility of
something creative springing forth.
Thanks for turning me on to it.
Warm Regards,
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Adam Gopnik flatters Canadians, even as our largest province, its core, voted in Doug Ford... a guy who for a lot of Ontarioians represented someone -- like Trump for a lot of Americans -- who would stop their being constantly ignored and pushed around. What actually happened is that Cdns were delighted that Trump insulted their prime minister, for it restaged early childhood experiences of their own having experienced the same thing, of having being bullied, and gave them a chance to play out, in the societal sphere, triumphant defiance. Prediction: Gopnik will continue to be impressed by Canada's renewed "solidarity" even as what Trudeau does becomes transparently bad for the country... Gopnik will want his prime minister playing out the "Love Actually" defiance, with the Trump the imagined bully out of his own childhood, for ongoing duration. The talk of Cdns being stopped by sensible things, like the concerns of the economy, in this article, is, for a lot of Cdns right now, simply a means of making sure they go into this fight they increasingly want to see happen above else, properly dressed... they thereby become like Turing in "Imitation Game," someone who is hated by his neighbour, because he's just that much more reasonable/sensible and intelligent than they: it's (imagined as) a wellspring from which to draw later power, which comes straight through from our Cdn heritage, through the extensions of our beloved Queen, which once did -- we fondly covet memory of -- kick the tar about of those damn spoiled rotten yankies, way back when "essential national identities" were being formed, in 1812. Truth: in today's mood, they'll let that go to hell as they more and more imagine their country as a Mother Country, as a "1812," mythically strong Queen's colony, and will do anything to see Her pride defended and kept intact, for She will be so proud of us for doing so, and will have such sympathy for the wounds we incurred in our valiant defence of her... and we won't deny ourselves the chance to make sure she sees every single scape and cut!, accumulations which represent -- much more than those shit droppings of hoarding and greed -- our newest category of wealth. This was 1940s Britain (... 1940s everyone, really), a country, surely as much as Canada, that all the while it delighted in being defiant to whatever cost to the economy of its country, still throughout believed themselves sensible, reasonable, in control, in full opposite to its out of control, spoiled-baby-on-a-tear, German neighbour.
Here, for example, is an article from New York's the Cut, where the writer is equally delighted as Gopnik is with Trudeau and with Canada's renewed patriotism, but who more openly shows that why this is so great is that it means some out of control someone -- not us! -- is about to get fitfully "spanked"... he's the relish, not just for the standing-up, but for the beating mommy inflicts upon all bad children. Early authoritarian childhood experiences, on both our parts, acted out on a societal scale. (Note: he's also more overt: what Gopnik calls "solidarity" he unmasks, with pride, as simply "nationalism" ... i.e., a term were not supposed to be so happy about using, for it feeling so self-evidently phallic, assertive... "preparing to get rapey"ish. But there's a narrative Cdns/the British adhere to of being willing to get overt, nasty, when it counts... so watch Gopnik recover the word for himself, later when it doesn't work against the particular image of the Cdn he has to put forward just now for this wonderful moment of re-staging to go through without anything in it -- like some kind of push, that's in advance of the moment -- drawing out how it's what we've wanted to happen for an increasingly long while.)
Note: the wonderful thing about Brandy Lee is that just at the moment where we wanted to feel dead-certain that we contain not an aspect of what our opponents... of what our own castigating internal alters, are painting us as possessing, of having lived, for decades, very spoiled-rotten lives, she and what happened to her cements our understanding of ourselves as simply the moderate and civilized calmly trying to talk sense to the unruly mob. What is "bad," remains outside... which is what Cdns are now doing as well: we embrace the mode of virtuous warrior, for it beats back, for a time, the self-conclusion that... maybe those voices were right about; we have been negligent. Not at all... we are defenders of lady virtue! For this feeling so good, like such a relief, is why every Sanders supporter and every Trump supporter, also have memories of what their opponents insensibly did, of their own Brandy Lees, which ostensibly showed the divide between them and us, ever so clearly... about how firmly right, how correct in our personhood, we are.
From Breitbart: AJ Alegria, 31, of Sacramento, told the Times he came to Berkeley to help defend Trump supporters and was surrounded by a dozen protesters in black masks who he said attacked him with sticks and pepper spray.
1) “These people create violence all the time… somebody has to stand up to them,” said Alegria, who was injured in the fight and treated by Trump supporters who bandaged his head, washed off the pepper spray and gave him encouragement, saying, “You’ve earned your stripes, bro.”
2) The Hillary Clinton left as being reasonable and controlled, the last vestige of any civility anywhere, in opposition to Bernie Sanders' supporters' (who she instructs, to their face, as "belch[ing] insults," as if this wasn't self-performative as mother-admonishing mode, and also instigating/provocative itself) crude, bullyish behaviour.
"They refuse to learn from the Age of Clinton that bipartisan coalitions and centrist policies are possible and often beneficial. They ignore the real causes of middle-class distress including deindustrialization and the ease of importing now that it’s cheaper to transport things across the globe — the benefits of which they, as consumers, enjoy.
And for their work, all they will do is strengthen Trump’s Right, as they browbeat their natural, more reasonable, allies as “neoliberals” and keep Trump and his followers feeling attacked, self-righteous, and thus, unwilling to temper or compromise.
Given the high stakes — and self-destructiveness of these attacks — I tried reminding these virtual bullies of who they actually are in real life.
I started with one Facebook account. In its first message, the person fumed: “Your TIME piece in regards to Bernie is a lame attempt at revising history. I’ve since read a few more of your postings. Your writing is awful. You suck. Retire.” The messages kept coming. But each post was less rabid, more substantive. Sensing an opening, I replied I was ignoring the first posting, adding: “You seem like a decent person but your first instinct was to do what most respondents did — bombard me with the ugliness we usually associate with Trump — and which Bernie avoided. Beyond that first belch of insults, we agree more than we disagree.”
3) Bernie supporter being attacked by a Hillary mob, acting just like Trump's: While this was all happening, one of the youngest Bernie delegates had a very bad experience of her own that week. Zenaid Huerta, a 17-year-old delegate from California, wrote on Facebook that she was verbally attacked by a Clinton delegate for no justifiable reason, and other delegates had water and food thrown on them for carrying “No TPP” signs. She wrote:
I saw party leaders … onlook my harassment and did nothing to stop it. I saw … a Los Angeles city councilman, high-five my attacker and then after promise to give me a private tour of city hall if I stopped crying… The behavior from many within the Hillary Clinton delegation—based off what I saw on the floor—resembles what Trump supporters would do.”
Self-examination would ensure we look at the possibility that -- like our self-semblences, Kate Spade and Bourdain -- after so much personal and societal growth/abandonment of Mother, our psychic equilibrium is very precariously set right now, and as such we are actively seeking to transform anything in the emerging horizon that speaks to changing exactly how we've set society up so it maintains our day to day emotional equilibrium, as something that is simply madness. We relish and provoke the troll, so we feel a righteousness that helps us apply support, more juice, for exactly how we've been carrying on, an amazingly fleet-footedness that doubt and recrimination has, despite its known power, founding quite daunting to quite overcome and master. For a time, doubts... deadly ones, are indeed beat back.
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Reasonable, never-forgetting-practical-matters Canadians, outraged, call for getting tough, for boycott.
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At the conference, I really enjoyed reading a couple of the books that were available, and it's prompted me to not only write a new one but to put two of my own to your attention.
Main one is Draining the Amazon's Swamp, a lengthy exploration of my studies through the history of English literature. It's available here at Amazon.
The second is Essays on the Lord of the Rings, which is a James F. Mastersonian exploration of the saga that tries to argue it more an anti-adventure than an adventure. This is 60 pages; much shorter. It's available here.
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Thanks much, Patrick, I'm glad you made this announcement. Some topic in the interface between psychohistory and literary criticism would make for a very interesting paper at the IPA conference next year, and you can bring display copies of your book for the book table. --Brian
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Patrick,
It is nice that the psychohistroy conference prompted you to write another book.
Also, please say a little more about each of your books to all of us.
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I am tempted to say that both books are about how Patrick attends to what he reads in novels, poetry and film (mostly novels, though), with the first book offering Patrick's gaze through a large gamut of books, that takes one through centuries of literature, and the second, only through a single series. I'm guessing this isn't sufficient, however possibly most accurate and honest, so I'll say further that the first book is a chronicle of my years of exploring literature, from first year at university until the completion of my masters. This undersells, so I'll add that, one, though the original voice is almost entirely there, I did end up correcting my younger self, here and there. And two, I was 27 when I began, so more than ready to write... no duckling. None were simply applications of theory to text. DeMause is there, so too James F. Masterson (also, Brain, some Chodorow), but really, mostly as complements, I think... I have too much respect for my gaze.. So I suppose it's a chronicle, also, of my development of mind through successive years. I think it finishes strong, and climaxes near the termination of the master's part: so not a magpie's random pickings, but a funnelling to a single culminating point, where, revelation???? At times I was asked to adjust to get published (not the whole thing, but parts), but the poetry of the work just had to stand, and the people asking were oblivious that this was a concern... a longstanding beef.
The Lord of the Rings one is recentish.... last year. Very much about the journey as something that actually dovetails individuation, and reveals the malice of how the hobbits got involved in the quest in the first place. In this bit, you get deMause, and such things as poison containers, abandonment depression and flight to action. I suspect there isn't anything like it out there.
Next book might a lot of Updike. He's my Shakespeare, and like him, he's my bet as to who lasts through centuries. I've now done a much larger survey of psychoanalytic thought, so it might reach my audience -- possibly you guys? -- seeming more fit for the field.
Thanks for the request, Ken. I am inspired... the whole conference, but also reading one of Susan Kavaler-Adlar's books (a meeting of literary works and Melanie Klein/Winnicott), which struck me as very similar to what I do, how I enjoy spending my time. Do more of what I like to do, I thought.
P.S.
Draining the Amazon's Swamp may not be everyone's favourite title, but it was inspired, as I remember it, a bit from Douglas's "Terrible Honesty: Mongrel Manhattan in the 20s," which is an awesome book, titled awesomely.
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You're very welcome Brain. I'm very glad for your support and encouragement.
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I think "Draining the Amazon's Swamp" is a great title. Punchy and intriguing.
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Thanks, Patrick! So helpful...
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PS pleasure to have met you at the IPA Conference! And I hope Ontario is not going to the right as you indicated may be the case...
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You're welcome Mike. Pleasure to have met you as well. A lot of resistance in Ontario, but it's important that when the world thinks of Canada, that it takes in that ostensibly its most civilized province, its heart of industry and artistic/commercial mind, voted for a guy who, transparently, is a worse-off psychological specimen than Trump. When the NewYorker's Gopnik instructs of Cdn civility, its ongoing reluctant and modest nature... well, we don't need any more Bourdain surprises. Take the shock, now. When Canada behaves nationalistically, barbarically, it will always be done... with regret and full modesty/modest measures. Concerning articles on Canada and the U.S., ignore those words and focus on whether the part of about showing fightback and fibre, gets emphasis. If so, then consider Trump as only of use to Canada... for he's fitting perfectly into the narrative we too must spell/spill out onto the world.
About the CNN article. If only it ventured, not only into Trump's childhood, but those who voted for him. It seems easy and acceptable to talk about his childhood, but the shared part, that a president's childhood is consequential only because it reflects a broad populace's, is still territory, tightly kept from discussion. I think this has something to do with the fact that reporters seemingly must maintain, for their own equilibrium, a sense of what the public is; of what their own role is. It is has something to do with their needing to evade the fact of their just previously being very open about, loathing most of Americans and their prejudices... so they're willing them as fundamentally good people, only needing facts to vote the right way, do the right thing. They're willing themselves to imagine their own selves, as modest servants. Keeping themselves together, putting so much focus into force-aligning the world into categories that are not actually held but which would would withstand putative self-examination, comes at cost of seeing the country right, because really noticing their insanity... and much of the country IS insane -- how for instance, many of them crave seeing abandoned children, removed permanently from their parents -- means being more open about the fact that they actually see themselves as people-herders, as people's, lords, than as the dutiful public servant of old... and this means admitting how far they've gone, how much they've acquired, how far they surpassed what any normal person can package as absent grandiose, spoiled ambition.
Not many of us were shipped off to elite boarding schools, but if many of us experienced this sort of rejection early in our lives when we first undertook our individuation, at the age of rapprochement, and later during adolescence, then what Trump is doing is replaying our collective childhood experience. Why would we like his doing that? It could be, as deMause would argue, that we're switching into our parental alters, and seeing things from the abandoner's, from the parent's, point of view: children are abandoned for ostensible righteous reason, for they are distinguishing themselves from their parent's own unmet needs, in pursuit of exploration of their own: so selfish! It could be, as deMause would also possibly argue, that we remain children, our own selves, those who remain conscious that this abandonment is indeed a crime, but who those who enjoy the opportunity of showing to alters within us that we will offer no firm opposition to whatever "parents" might want to inflict on our proxies. It could be that we in fact see no crime occurring at all, and not because we're from the parent's point of view right now, and not because we're children... but those in denial, but because when we first experienced our own abandonment, our first loss of parental touch and contact, our first gross neglect, we had done nothing.... only our being vulnerable. And so we concluded that being vulnerable, by itself, is surely a crime, to find a reason we to justify our parent's conduct and to avoid further occurences.
It could be just that how we are individually feeling is being more and more expressed on the outside, so the social sphere portends even more as redress/revenge for childhood crimes we've been suffering under, and less and less an adult realm that instructs of these big unbounded feelings, as for the nursery only... tut tut for showing yourself so. For sure, there are many in the country who are complaining about what they are seeing who are secretly glad to see their own childhoods out on display here, for narrative... elaboration. Don't trust poling. All politicians who say this will be used to destroy Trump, are to be laughed at in the face. This is what the public wants. It's the only thing he executes.
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Donald Trump campaigned to Make America Great Again. The U. N. recently reported on ways the U.S. is not in the forefront, but in areas of little concern to the President. Here are some excerpts: Americans live shorter and sicker lives than in any of the world’s richest nations. We have the highest obesity rates, infant mortality rates, percent of youth poverty, and incarceration rates among developed countries,
Within the United States reside a quarter of the world’s billionaires and we have the highest rate of income equality in the Western world. America also has one of the lowest rates of intergenerational social mobility of the world’s wealthy nations. In a 2017 report, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) stated that the United States economy “is delivering better living standards for only the few”, and that “household incomes are stagnating for a large share of the population, job opportunities are deteriorating, prospects for upward mobility are waning, and economic gains are increasingly accruing to those that are already wealthy”. This U.N. report was written by Philip Alston, an Australian by birth but currently is John Norton Pomeroy Professor of Law at NYU School of Law. The report itself can be found at http://undocs.org/A/HRC/38/33/ADD.1.
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I believe there are two things going on here that need to be distinguished. On the one hand, we have the phenomenon of an abused and abusive segment of the population that idealizes the abusive parent (and by extension, abusive politicians and the abusive state) and displaces their rage on scapegoats, the scapegoat de jour being immigrants. On the other hand, however, we have an objective decline in the economic circumstances of the middle class which Trump skillfully exploited politically without having the slightest idea what to do about the underlying problems. In all fairness, neither do most mainstream pundits. For example, Paul Krugman seems to think there is nothing wrong with the US running chronic trade deficits. Really? I'm sorry, but this is the worst kind of sloppy thinking. Trade deficits in manufacturing translate into a loss of manufacturing jobs that is a real, objective disease of the US economy.
In reality, there are two causes of this disease. First, the US has for decades diverted human and physical capital from civilian manufacturing to the military sector, which does not produce wealth. In Germany and Japan, highly automated, state of the art manufacturing enables both countries to pay higher industrial wages than the US and still have trade surpluses in manufacturing with the US. Neither country squanders its engineering talent, steel, energy, and other capital resources on unnecessary military programs.
Second, the US dollar is an artificially strong currency, making it cheaper for Americans to import goods than to buy goods manufactured in the US. There are two reasons for this. First, the dollar is the primary international reserve currency for central banks. Second, the US and the Saudis have conspired to rig the international oil markets so that purchasers of crude must pay in dollars. Both these conditions create an artificial demand for dollars and thus bid up the value of the dollar compared with other currencies. The solution to both these problems is straightforward. The US can stop allowing the dollar to be used as the primary reserve currency and insist that the IMF expand its supply of global currency (known as Special Drawing Rights). Second, the US can end its arrangement with the Saudis to have the price of oil exclusively denominated in dollars. This analysis (at least the first part) comes from Nobel Prize winning economist Joseph Stiglitz, but the pundits and policy makers don't seem to be listening.
Given that such problems in economics and the international financial system are at the root of America's economic malaise, and given that few progressive pundits and politicians seem to understand any of this, much less make it a political priority to talk about the real problems and propose alternative policies, is it any wonder that a vicious and brain dead demagogue like Trump has been able to get as far as he has? If the political system does not generate choices that include real solutions to real problems, the fault is not with the electorate but with those who are responsible for leading, including the academics and pundits whose job it is to identify what is wrong and formulate alternatives. In the words of John Milton (quoted by Noam Chomsky), "They who have put out the people's eyes, reproach them for their blindness."
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On 6/22/2018 9:15 AM, Ken Fuchsman wrote:
Donald Trump campaigned to Make America Great Again. The U. N. recently reported on ways the U.S. is not in the forefront, but in areas of little concern to the President. Here are some excerpts: Americans live shorter and sicker lives than in any of the world’s richest nations. We have the highest obesity rates, infant mortality rates, percent of youth poverty, and incarceration rates among developed countries,
Within the United States reside a quarter of the world’s billionaires and we have the highest rate of income equality in the Western world. America also has one of the lowest rates of intergenerational social mobility of the world’s wealthy nations. In a 2017 report, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) stated that the United States economy “is delivering better living standards for only the few”, and that “household incomes are stagnating for a large share of the population, job opportunities are deteriorating, prospects for upward mobility are waning, and economic gains are increasingly accruing to those that are already wealthy”. This U.N. report was written by Philip Alston, an Australian by birth but currently is John Norton Pomeroy Professor of Law at NYU School of Law. The report itself can be found at http://undocs.org/A/HRC/38/33/ADD.1.
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Zaretsky, Morris Dickstein and Lloyd, all argued that the 1930s and 40s produced people in reduced form. The saddest and most deprived generation, not the greatest. Zaretsky held that they abandoned becoming adults as they were all trying to be good sons and daughters to their mother nations. Dickstein said that people became "types" rather than individuals. Lloyd said... well, pretty close to Zaretsky, actually. The greatest concern for liberals is that we confuse economic gain, much better widespread economic provisioning, with progress. If we agree to abandon our individuation, our effort to develop our own true selves, the key thing our disapproving mothers... who are angry at our abandoning Her, are mostly angrily focused on, will be satisfied: like Hitler's Volk, we can now have the provisioning, without our feeling spoiled for it, and we'll now key our leaders to provide rather than deny us it. If liberals doesn't recognize this, make THIS -- our maintaining our nation as one which prizes individuated citizens, true cosmopolitans -- the focus NOW, then when populists get in gear seemingly producing the bettering in economic conditions (Trump WILL succeed in doing this, is my guess), while neglecting the focus on abortion (which communicates liberated women), while agreeing that innovative thinking in the humanities is ostensibly corrupting and foreign -- against "free speech" American ideals -- while denigrating those who are genuinely individuated people as simply spoiled, selfish and self-indulgent, they're not going to be in a position to argue their enemies AS actually enemies, which is what they'll be. The next decade should be good times not just for rightwingers but for that portion of the left that just as much believes that America's foremost problem is how spoiled rotten it is. They'll both see the voices that communicate more than anything else, daring and presumption... people like Krugman, actually, as more and more cornered and isolated. When people like him become completely persona non grata, we'll have at least ten years subsequently when we'll know that the real possibility for daring innovators to emerge becomes about as slight as possible. The leaders who could beckon them forth, become seen by everyone as possessing traitorous ideals -- they despoiled their fellow citizens for their own enrichment! -- and we'll know we've kept a firm lid on how many people we as a culture permitted to venture past, to abandon, whatever their mothers may have wanted for them. Factory system... everything. No one not interchangeable.
We can't only be discussing Krugman's suggested policies right now without recognizing who he represents: we read license and freedom, leisure, comfortable self-comportment and impish play, every time he suggests keeping deficits high and encouraging internationalism, and read the closing of it, every time some elder grump like Chomsky -- who represents a life of duty and sacrifice, in the traditional way of imagining these things; a scornful elder God -- is allowed to serve as... well, his chastisement. If we actually need more manufacturing "here," to become more "Germany," it is very important under whose umbrella it is ushered in. I don't think in this time it will be ushered in by anyone who isn't also doing it for its communicating, tending to our own mother country's requirements for a change. It'll be about putting flesh onto our mother's bones, and it'll be about finding and inflicting revenge on those imagined as having so long gotten away with neglecting Her. I'd trust it, if it occurred sort of invisibly, as "manufacturing" was never allowed to repossess its former connotations and remained... what it probably has been in Japan and Germany, that is, still connected to discarding the past and embracing constant change: self-evolution.
On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 9:15:17 AM UTC-4, Ken Fuchsman wrote:
Donald Trump campaigned to Make America Great Again. The U. N. recently reported on ways the U.S. is not in the forefront, but in areas of little concern to the President. Here are some excerpts: Americans live shorter and sicker lives than in any of the world’s richest nations. We have the highest obesity rates, infant mortality rates, percent of youth poverty, and incarceration rates among developed countries,
Within the United States reside a quarter of the world’s billionaires and we have the highest rate of income equality in the Western world. America also has one of the lowest rates of intergenerational social mobility of the world’s wealthy nations. In a 2017 report, the International Monetary Fund (IMF) stated that the United States economy “is delivering better living standards for only the few”, and that “household incomes are stagnating for a large share of the population, job opportunities are deteriorating, prospects for upward mobility are waning, and economic gains are increasingly accruing to those that are already wealthy”. This U.N. report was written by Philip Alston, an Australian by birth but currently is John Norton Pomeroy Professor of Law at NYU School of Law. The report itself can be found at http://undocs.org/A/HRC/38/33/ADD.1.
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