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Heroic mom, heroically slapping her kid across the face, while chasing him down the street


[Note: video can be seen here.]

Joan Walsh, in an article titled "the hideous white hypocrisy behind the Baltimore 'Hero Mom' hype,"at Salon.com, wrote: 

Baltimore’s “Hero Mom” has a name. It’s Toya Graham.

And the woman lionized nationwide for beating her 16-year-old son on camera, and dragging him away from Monday night’s riots, doesn’t feel at all like a hero.
“I don’t. I don’t,” Graham told CBS “This Morning” on Wednesday. “My intention was just to get my son and have him be safe.” Later in the interview, Graham confesses, “I just lost it.” (Watch the whole thing at the end of this post.)
Her moment of losing it made her a hero to much of white America – and not just to the right. Coast to coast, the media is hyping Graham as “Hero Mom” and her on-camera beating as “Tough Love.” It’s not just Fox News or the “New York Post,” whose tabloid “Send in the Moms” front page this time reflects rather than rebukes the mainstream media. And that’s heartbreaking.

The debate over the moment Graham says she “lost it” is complex. There’s a parallel black debate going on that, as always when it comes to racial issues, is richer and more nuanced. But anyone white who’s applauding Graham’s moment of desperation, along with the white media figures who are hyping her “heroism,” is essentially justifying police brutality, and saying the only way to control black kids is to beat the shit out of them.

I’m aware that a lot of African Americans are lauding Graham, too. This piece isn’t directed at them. Whether they applaud or critique Graham’s corporal punishment, most black people debating the issue acknowledge that the desperate public beating came from centuries of black parents knowing they have to discipline their children harshly, or else white society will do it for them – and they may not survive it.

The hypocrisy of the white mainstream applauding Graham is sickening. Let’s be honest: many white folks are reflexive critics of the greater frequency of corporal punishment in the black community.  Witness the media horror at Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson beating his young son. If Graham beat her child like that in the aisles of CVS, you can be sure somebody would call CPS.

“What’s remarkable for me,” says the clueless Charlie Rose, speaking for white America, “is he clearly had the respect — and fear — of you.” Why is that remarkable, that this young black man respects his mother? Rose then chuckles at “that right hook you have.”

For the most part, the CBS team ignored the big social issues behind Graham’s confrontation with her son. Graham didn’t. Like other Baltimore teens, Graham told the table, “he doesn’t have the perfect relationship with the police officers in Baltimore city…But two wrongs don’t make a right.” Nobody followed up on the young man’s “relationship” with police.

Graham also shared that she recently lost her job. Nobody asked about that. When the church-going single mother of six confessed that the first thing she thought, when she saw herself on television, was “Oh my God, my pastor is gonna have a fit,” Norah O’Donnell reassured her: “The police commissioner of Baltimore said “We need more moms like you.”
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These weren’t segments exploring the heartbreaking desperation of black inner city mothers, faced with an eternal “Sophie’s Choice” when it comes to their kids. They weren’t looking at the lack of options for teens in Sandtown-Winchester, or the history of Baltimore cops acting “in loco parentis” and beating the shit out of young black men, sometimes just for sport.

Not a word of this is intended to criticize Toya Graham. I cannot say to her, “Ma’am, I have a better way to keep your son safe.” But when I watch that video, I don’t merely see a loving mother disciplining her son. I see a desperate mother being forced to wield the club of white violence, “in loco” white cops. As a mother, the footage of cops dragging an agonized Freddie Gray into custody was indeed “devastating to see.” So was the footage of Graham beating her son, with the approving gaze of white media.
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Patrick McEvoy-Halston

Whether they applaud or critique Graham’s corporal punishment, most black people debating the issue acknowledge that the desperate public beating came from centuries of black parents knowing they have to discipline their children harshly, or else white society will do it for them – and they may not survive it.


So is this what we have to look forward to if whites don't get supplanted? More centuries of mothers regretfully beating the hell out of their black children, so their children don't risk seeming uppity -- so they seem properly self-abnegating and deferent before their white "superiors"? What a terrible strategy these mothers have had to deploy for themselves, damaging the self-esteem of their kids, making them fear and loathe them, just so whites don't tear them apart. 

It's a good thinking beating has historically been sufficient, because otherwise if they'd had to burn, cut, or sexually abuse to produce the kind of shrunken kids overlord whites wouldn't feel so much threatened by, not even the most advanced progressive would be able to stay focused on their true golden reasons for their abuse, on their commendable and astute societal awareness and foresight ... on their actual bravery, to do what was actually most repugnant to them -- hurt their children -- to forestall their obliteration!

I beat the hell out of my kids too, fyi. My neighbours don't understand it; they think I'm just brutal, damaging my kids simply because I too was abused and damaged. They think I see my kids as demons because my parents often saw me the same way, burning me, so the evil spirits might be let out. But I know that once my kids are before God, they'll be before someone who isn't as lenient as I am towards all their sinning. I smite them, so God doesn't have to. Someone feel sorry for my terrible plight!


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playera
2 days ago



This mother displayed the kind of discipline almost any parent might show in that dangerous position.  Get the kid out of here, NOW! 

And. 

This is a step up from the "beating" african american children get from their mothers at the checkout line at the store.  I hear some very cruel chastisement from poorer mothers toward their young children when the children politely ask their mom for candy at the checkout.  I see mothers slap the hands of children for picking up an item in the store. I see mothers speak very abusively to the very young children.

Why do these mothers speak so meanly to their children?  Is there an afro-american discipline philosophy or attitude that says, "Establish a near-abusive relationship between the mother and the children?" Is that some preparation for future obedience to someone else or just to the mother?  Are fathers this mean?

Do I love my mother because she was so harsh, or because she was a good parent?

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sjackson44
2 days ago


@playera The mentality of black parenting is simple, "Keep your kids in line or white society will" and white society has demonstrated it largely doesn't give a shit if black people live or die. No parent wants to take those odds.
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playera
2 days ago


@sjackson44 @playera Why does the mother have to be so harsh?  Why can't she simply confirm the child's interest or curiosity and say "Honey, put it back?"  How soon will the child ever resent the mother's  line.
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Patrick McEvoy-Halston
2 days ago

@sjackson44 @playera Okay, so if you go into poorer white neighbourhoods and you find that corporal punishment is common there as well, is this too a necessary strategy on their part so their kids are humbled enough so they can at least work the minimum wage jobs and take all the abuse deposited on those working "shit" jobs, that'll be the only life really available to them? It's all strategy ... the drunken fathers, the self-absorbed mothers, actually really have their children's best interests in mind? They don't just spank and abuse because they see their kids at times as spoiled "demons"?

Or in this case do you think it might be more just unloved parents doing what all unloved parents do to their children -- use them and hurt them -- whether these unloved parents are absurdly rich or deplorably poor?

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Spacetrucker
2 days ago

So a couple slaps upside the head is now considered a "beating"? Wow! 
Should she have hugged him and sat down for a sensitive talk? 
She did the right thing. 

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nanorich
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker


Do you come from discipline tradition which celebrates the public humiliation of your adult children?

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Spacetrucker
2 days ago

@nanorich @Spacetrucker  

When they engage in those acts? Yes, yes i do.
Good luck with your "cuddle therapy".

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nanorich
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @nanorich


Right because that well make them into white productive citizens, right?

Did it work for you?

It obviously didn't inspire you to develop critical thinking skills or discipline which works.

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HHHarley
2 days ago

@nanorich @Spacetrucker Not sure how you, Nano, can extrapolate that from Space's post. I understand your position, but most parents would kick some ass to rescue their kids from themselves.
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nanorich
2 days ago
@HHHarley @nanorich @Spacetrucker

And you know this how exactly?

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Spacetrucker
2 days ago

@nanorich @Spacetrucker  

Yet oddly this horrid parent was the only one that seemed to care for the well being of her child. This wasn't a kid stealing his first chocolate bar, he was rioting. I guess that's not serious enough to you.

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nanorich
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @nanorich


Do you think that beating your kid in public is showing how you care?

Yeah, I see people like you in a Walmart on Sunday afternoon around four.

It is truly an example for showing exactly who is out of control.

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Spacetrucker
2 days ago

@nanorich @Spacetrucker  

Again you use the word "beating". Your clueless.

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slake
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @nanorich *you're clueless.

You're fine with a couple of slaps from people who think you're out of line?

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Spacetrucker
2 days ago



@slake @Spacetrucker @nanorich  

When they are rioting, you bloody well bet I do.

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slake
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @slake @nanorich If you're at an event I disapprove of, I can slap you?
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Spacetrucker
2 days ago

@slake 

Idiot.

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slake
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @slake I see you're a deep thinker.
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Spacetrucker
2 days ago

@slake @Spacetrucker The kid was involved in a riot. What part of that and the danger it posed doesn't sink into that thick skull of yours?
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slake
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @slake It certainly sinks in. I can understand his mother's reaction in that situation and not applaud it. She doesn't applaud it. I don't condemn it, either.


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nanorich
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @nanorich


If that is an example of what you do to your wife when have had a few, pal....that is what is referred to as a beating.

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Spacetrucker
2 days ago

@nanorich @Spacetrucker  

Yet another stupid comment. I've 3 kids I've never struck them.Been married 25 yrs, never hit or been hit.

You're a fool.

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nanorich
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @nanorich

And you are a liar.  People who justify violence towards children, tend to be violent to their own children and then go on to discount how bad that violence is.

One can see from your response here how low your frustration level is when you don't get the response you demand.

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Spacetrucker
2 days ago

@nanorich @Spacetrucker  You involve my wife and children in this, call me a liar and then accuse me of being frustrated?! Idiot.
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nanorich
2 days ago

@Spacetrucker @nanorich

You are the one who has serious control problems.  
And if you should ever have a family, you might want to look into anger management.

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Solar St
2 days ago

@nanorich @Spacetrucker  He's sixteen,.
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Patrick McEvoy-Halston
2 days ago


@nanorich @Spacetrucker You're kind to use the words "discipline tradition." Medievals who burned uppity women also came from a particular kind of discipline tradition; one we might more readily understand as just some really dark shade of deplorable barbarism. 
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Spacetrucker
2 days ago



@Patrick McEvoy-Halston @nanorich @Spacetrucker  

(shakes head) wtf! 

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Aunt Messy
2 days ago


@Spacetrucker @Patrick McEvoy-Halston @nanorich So do any of your kids talk to you?



Bill_
2 days ago



Whether they applaud or critique Graham’s corporal punishment, most black people debating the issue acknowledge that the desperate public beating came from centuries of black parents knowing they have to discipline their children harshly, or else white society will do it for them – and they may not survive it.

Sure. Like Adrian Peterson.

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Rocky57
2 days ago



@Bill_ But the author of those words has a point: even putting aside the visited brutality of Southern slavery, it makes a perverse, albeit brutal sense to mete out cautionary martial punishment before the dominant culture does it with an often lethal outcome, later on.
If that tradition has been passed down, the extreme example of an Adrian Peterson is more likely to happen.
As Joan writes, it's a Sophie's Choice that, perhaps, not a few black parents, particularly single mothers, have to face in not having the luxury of the type of privilege about which many Salon writers comment.

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Patrick McEvoy-Halston
2 days ago



@Rocky57 @Bill_

But the author of those words has a point: even putting aside the visited brutality of Southern slavery, it makes a perverse, albeit brutal sense to mete out cautionary martial punishment before the dominant culture does it with an often lethal outcome, later on.

Do you dare visit the families to see if you see if you find this kind of supreme rationalism prevalent? It's possible, but what you're depending on is that you're dealing with families that really are so fabulously loving, that even a terribly abusive society can only damage them so much. It can't get into them, turn them into those so maltreated, justifications for why they use and hurt their kids are never really valid.  

I myself think that the tendency of many liberals to not even consider people they want to support, as something other than remarkable and powerful in their defiance -- as those kept alive, still yet full of promise, by their own remarkable self-belief and family love -- is going to make them seem foolish in the end. For decades this was the only way allowed to view tribal cultures, and now people like Steven Pinker are being abundant in their counter-evidence, in part, I think, to make a lot of anthropologists, people more decent than him, seem absurd. 




agore
2 days ago



So an inner-city mother acts instinctively in disciplining her child, and that makes her "hideous" and "sickening?" Had she acted as a liberal mother, indulging her precious snowflake in his worst habits, she would be able to use Marin County's lush social-service system to put him through the most prestigious heroin rehab that she can get him into.
But Toya Graham doesn't live in Marin County. She lives in Baltimore, and knows that the primary social service future awaiting her son is the corrections system. Good for her, acting in the only way she knows will work without the use of outside authority.
Lefties, get ready to be incensed at a woman named Mailani Neal. You don't know who she is yet, but in the next few weeks she will be your next "sickening" and "hideous" activist in a totally different arena.

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gideonse
2 days ago


@agore Did you read the article? Walsh isn't saying Graham was hideous or sickening but rather that the white media's reaction to it was. 
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Patrick McEvoy-Halston
2 days ago



@agore I'm pretty sure the inner-city mother routinely "disciplines" her child, not out of instinct, but because she periodically gets into moods where she identifies with the persecutor ... and takes advantage of situations that enable her to attack her children, guilt-free.

I would speculate that when you see a young person, a progressive liberal, aiming ambitiously to enjoy themselves while making something splendid of this earth, you'll every time see some precious snowflake indulging in their worst habits, who desperately requires a beating. 

I speculate that what you'll be doing here is projecting -- that spoiled, indulged child, is who you were as a child, who was punished and abused when doing nothing more than attending briefly to herself. To keep your mother righteous and fair, you scolded your own vulnerable, neglected self, who thought for a moment your mother wouldn't mind if you put some attention onto herself for a change.   



Ken N
1 day ago


Obviously the author of this article doesn't know the difference between violence and proper discipline. As a child I was beaten and what this mother did to her kid was not a beating. Then again to Liberals, spanking a child is a no no, but then they wonder why kids are the way they are and want the parents to be held responsible.
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banjoist123
1 day ago



Hitting a child for any reasons teaches violence and fear. If you have to hit a child to teach them, you have failed as a teacher.

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Patrick McEvoy-Halston
1 day ago


@Ken N Spanking is against the law in Sweden. From what I understand, that country is doing okay. 
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josei
7 hours ago


@Patrick McEvoy-Halston @Ken N They were doing much better when they were kicking the sh*t out of every other country in Northern Europe. (Remember the Vikings?)



fromthemomma
1 day ago


I come from a black family, we're all behind Toya whupping his narrow butt all the way home.  Joan has white guilt and attempts to create division and bias where there isn't any.  Every black family I know don't mess around when it comes to discipline with their kids.
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banjoist123
1 day ago


@fromthemomma This is the difference between black and white culture. White people don't equate hitting with discipline. The word itself comes from "disciple." I have a hard time seeing Jesus beating his disciples. 
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Patrick McEvoy-Halston
23 hours ago



@banjoist123 @fromthemomma White people don't equate hitting with discipline

I wish this was the case, but personally I think that the main reason that many white people are applauding this woman is because she brings to mind memories of their own terrifying mothers, and they want to count themselves on their side. This is quite terrible, because when we feel the need to bond with her, it means we've had it with our own selfish autonomy; it means we won't just be cheering mommas coming out on the street and beating their kids, but society going hard on kids, on anything youthful, in general. Just like in this case, no empathy for the kids, because we're seeing things from out mothers point of view, which saw any act of independence on our part as our own selfishly abandoning them. 

I don't trust that anyone who seems too comfortable with the word "discipline" is to be trusted as immune to the sort of self-projection (we attack them because they bear traits we had that once angered our mothers -- notably autonomy) that's involved in beating a kid. It's a word out of a different time, when all children were only conditionally good -- they weren't born innately good, but could get there if their parents socialized and disciplined them properly. It's out of a time when spanking and intimidating kids was the norm. It's not current, progressive-parent New York, "who" don't talk so much about how best to discipline their children but how best to help and support them. 

When Joan Walsh says that there are other ways to discipline a child other than hitting him/her, this is pretty good; but if she was referring to her own child she would be referring to someone who is probably more emotionally evolved than she, who'll be bearing this alternative "discipline" only until discipline, any sort of child-cracking, any sort of child-intimidation, evolves out of their generational chain entirely.

LeeDee
1 day ago


She was a MOM slapping her son. Why does she have to be labled as a "black mom"?? He was taller than her and I am sure stronger. I didn't see any "beating". If I saw my son do something stupid, disrespctful, harmful etc., I would do the same exact thing.
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Aunt Messy
23 hours ago


@LeeDee And he stood there and took it because she's been beating him all his life.
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Kingobie1
23 hours ago


@Aunt Messy @LeeDee ... seriously? Please tell me you're kidding.
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Patrick McEvoy-Halston
23 hours ago


@Kingobie1 @Aunt Messy @LeeDee Every time he's out the door to play with his friends. He has no autonomy; she owns him.  And he didn't just stand there; thank god there was some refusal in him. 
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Aunt Messy
23 hours ago


@Kingobie1 @Aunt Messy @LeeDee No one's ever hit you, have they?



LadyRae
18 hours ago


I normally like your articles - but you are so way off base here.  THIS type of thinking is why we have a generation of kids that are completely and totally useless and will continue to be useless into the future and will, eventually, be the death of this country.  This is the kind of reasoning that leads to 12 year olds dictating to parents.  Why we have 8 year olds that have the table manners of toddlers.  This woman acted out of love and fear for her son.  And her son obviously had the respect for her that he reacted the way he did - and that respect of her extended to his friends.  This wasn't a oh, you're grounded, give me your cell phone but here's the iPad.  I'm not sure I can support your articles any longer.  I'm very, very disappointed.  You've completed lost credibility with me.
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Patrick McEvoy-Halston
17 hours ago


@LadyRae 
 This woman acted out of love and fear for her son.

Where exactly is the evidence for this? Usually when you've got mothers chasing their children down the street and haranguing them, it turns out to be over the most trivial of reasons. And if it was to stop him from being killed, then surely she's the type to make sure her son never joins the armed forces -- she'd be beating the hell out of him too, if he ever made that decision; she wouldn't be proud to see him military -- no photos of him in uniform! This wouldn't happen, of course. She'd be totally proud, because he'd be a soldier defending his mother nation with his life, not someone autonomous creating a cause for his own. 

All he did was disobey, show some self-volition -- that was his "crime"; that's why she was all over him. I own you! was her firm belief. With enough mothers like her, the '60s would never have happened. 

THIS type of thinking is why we have a generation of kids that are completely and totally useless and will continue to be useless into the future and will, eventually, be the death of this country. 

What will revive our country? A generation of youth, committed to their elders, who stamp down on anything degenerate, who'll show their absolute fealty by dying for their country? There's a perverse psychology where some people see their countries as only being revived by the blood of their youth. This wouldn't be your own, would it?
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Whatever People
15 hours ago


@Patrick McEvoy-Halston @LadyRae
Patrick...you are just as blind and lost as the writer...perpetuating hate and violence.  Thinking that these riotous acts are justified.  What do you solve by tearing down your own city?  A torn down city.    You think the mother should've given her son a pat on the back and an at-a-boy?  "Hey, son...good going! Continue throwing rocks at "people" cause it is a moral and righteous act.  You sure will show them!  Good job!"  No one should ever suffer any consequences for their actions just as long as they believe they are doing the right thing...{ad sarcasm here}.



Comments from poster Tam Rachelle:


WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 6:12 PM
nanorich Enquido DanyB Bean Delphiki There's no evidence hitting a child makes them a more responsible citizen. Matter fact studies show violent criminals received corporal punishment as a child more often than not. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 6:11 PM
Bean Delphiki nanorich Black kids don't need to be beat anymore than white ones. The idea that black kids need more beatings than kids of other races reinforces the idea that black people are more savage beasts that need to be broken like wild horses. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 6:05 PM
exogeologist Salon8  I think we've all had a friend who is the victim of domestic violence that says "He doesn't beat me all the time, he's just stressed....he just lost his job. He really does love me...."

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 6:03 PM
Enquido Cause it's done so great for the Black community thus far, you know, with all the poverty and incarceration rates, and inner city violence. Those whoopins have really got us to that beautiful place in the sun. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 6:00 PM
Mike Hipp I have four kids, black ones. They don't need to be hit in the face to be reasoned with. Trust, if you side with the idea that violence first then conversation later is the only way to get through to black teenagers, then it is assumed the boy will be dead or beat by cops soon enough. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:58 PM
Enquido Because there's no other alternative? Because he is black and he's a man, holding his hand and asking him earnestly to please come home because he's scaring his mother......he's just too hardened, too much of a thug to respond to that? Straight for the face. And I guess you are reinforcing the idea that a cop is able to reason with white people but black people require more brute strength to get the point? 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:56 PM
Aunt Messy ratched exactly, no one deserves to be punctured with a high heel unless they physically attacked you. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:55 PM
exogeologist TerryMcT Dr. Alvin F. Poussaint, a Harvard Medical School psychiatrist who has studied mental health issues and parenting in African-American communities, is a leading voice against corporal punishment. It’s an uphill battle.
“It’s culturally embedded in America that spanking is a legitimate and good way to discipline children. But the fact is, nearly all studies, except for a few, say it is not a good way of disciplining and can actually produce damage,” Poussaint said. “We have such damage in the black community, when you add to that parents beating their kids, it’s sending the message that violence is an OK way to solve problems.”
Nevertheless, Poussaint said, questioning corporal punishment can provoke a defensive or angry reaction from parents.
“Usually some people stand up and say, ‘Well, I was beaten as a kid and I turned out pretty well.’ Well, did they?” Poussaint said. “If you dig more deeply, you don’t really know that… beating may have left scars in them that they don’t really understand.”
Poussaint dismisses the biblical imperative so often used as a justification for corporal punishment as “a tired excuse.”
“Violence begets violence, anger begets anger, and the loss of control makes it all worse,” he said.


WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:54 PM
exogeologist TamRachelle TerryMcT In a study Gershoff co-authored that examined 20,000 kindergartners and their parents, she found that 89% of black parents, 79% of white parents, 80% of Hispanic parents and 73% of Asian parents said they have spanked their children.
But why do so many black parents approve of disciplining their children that way? The answer is complicated, experts said.
Some researchers have suggested it's a legacy left by the brutality of slavery. Some say it's rooted in fear - that if parents don’t use force to demand obedience, someone else will. Others said African-American parents, in aggregate, are disproportionately lower-income, have less education and are more likely to follow a religion that implores them not to spare the rod for fear of spoiling the child - all factors that correlate with use of corporal punishment, regardless of race.
Numerous studies have pointed to negative consequences for all children who are spanked, regardless of parents' race, ethnicity, income-level or education level. Kids who are physically punished face higher risk of anxiety and depression, higher rates of aggression toward others and a more distant relationship with their parent, Gershoff said. Those risks are in addition to the risk of injury from parents who cross the line from a hard smack on a behind  - still damaging, researchers said -  to abuse that leaves children bruised or bleeding

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WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:48 PM
Murry Chang TerryMcT Exactly. He learned nothing. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:47 PM
Nelda77 Aunt Messy THE PROPER REACTION TO FEAR IS NOT VIOLENCE. Especially when you're dealing with someone you LOVE. What if this was a father hitting his daughter? Then it would be awful. He deserves not to be hit just like women deserve not to be hit. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:44 PM
FilmAlicia What proof do you have that she doesn't bust him in the face when he doesn't do the dishes? Or cuss him out when he doesn't clean his room? This could be an everyday thing for *hero mom*. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:43 PM
exogeologist TamRachelle TerryMcT Cultural sociology is not a myth. There's societal norms and practices within all cultures. Research shows that Black children are more likely to be spanked then their non black counter parts. Research also shows that corporal punishment is more likely to create anxious, depressed, and violent adults. Not to mention a majority of men who are involved in domestic violence experienced corporal punishment as children. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:37 PM
SteelrailsAV TamRachelle BigDaddyChaCha Incorrect. Site your sources. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:36 PM
Nelda77 raptor Hitting and beating on a black man is not the only way to protect them. It reinforces the idea that violence is the only action that KEEPS BLACK MEN IN LINE. We are siding with cops. If that boy needs a beat down to do as he is told at 16 by his mother, why wouldn't he need it at 17 or 18 when he's out in the streets without her? That's irrational thinking. He can be reasoned with, he isn't a beast. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:33 PM
exogeologist TerryMcT Lets not pretend that many Black people don't praise the idea that beating kids into submission makes the God fearing citizens. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:32 PM
SteelrailsAV BigDaddyChaCha If it was a white girl and her white mom she'd surely be arrested. The applause is based on people really believing that Blacks only understand violence aka whipping the slave when he is out of line. Hugging that child and telling him *Baby come home with me please, I'm scared* is just something that wild monkey just couldn't absorb huh? He just doesn't have the common sense, the emotional connection, the depth to be spoken to, only slaps to the mouth can get through to him. 

WEDNESDAY, APRIL 29, 2015 5:28 PM

So.........I guess one would say that every cop that busts a young black man in the face is just a Hero mom in disguise huh? Cause there's really no way anyone can tame the savage beast inside black boys, except by punching and slapping the evil out. 

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